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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 16:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just about to ask you what you thought about that Rosenfelder piece, but you beat me to it :)

IIRC, the line about UKIP being Crypto-Fascist comes from one of the Samizdata posters at the time of the European elections.  At the last UK election, I found the election leaflets from UKIP and the BNP virtually indistinguisable.  If they don&#039;t want people associating them with fascism-lite, then they shouldn&#039;t produce election literature that makes them look that way.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just about to ask you what you thought about that Rosenfelder piece, but you beat me to it <img src='http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>IIRC, the line about UKIP being Crypto-Fascist comes from one of the Samizdata posters at the time of the European elections.  At the last UK election, I found the election leaflets from UKIP and the BNP virtually indistinguisable.  If they don&#8217;t want people associating them with fascism-lite, then they shouldn&#8217;t produce election literature that makes them look that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry de Havilland</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 16:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article is riddled with errors but more directly given your opening argument, you could not pay me to vote for the US libertarian party, so if you were hoping to annoy us, you have picked th wrong target.

Moreover, I can only assume you have not been reading us much as we attack the Tories FAR more often than the LibDems, who though hardly a party of civil liberties, they do at least oppose ID cards and panoptic databases.

By describing the UKIP as crypt0o-fascist you tell us rather more about yourself than them.  Sure, there are some real jackasses in that party who are just old fashioned bigots and isolationists but the leader is pretty much the only person in visible politics in the UK to be calling for a drasticly scaled down state, hardly a feature of a fascist state.  I would not describe UKIP as liberatian by any means but please stop using &#039;fascist&#039; when what you really mean is &quot;someone who I do not agree with and I don&#039;t like&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is riddled with errors but more directly given your opening argument, you could not pay me to vote for the US libertarian party, so if you were hoping to annoy us, you have picked th wrong target.</p>
<p>Moreover, I can only assume you have not been reading us much as we attack the Tories FAR more often than the LibDems, who though hardly a party of civil liberties, they do at least oppose ID cards and panoptic databases.</p>
<p>By describing the UKIP as crypt0o-fascist you tell us rather more about yourself than them.  Sure, there are some real jackasses in that party who are just old fashioned bigots and isolationists but the leader is pretty much the only person in visible politics in the UK to be calling for a drasticly scaled down state, hardly a feature of a fascist state.  I would not describe UKIP as liberatian by any means but please stop using &#8216;fascist&#8217; when what you really mean is &#8220;someone who I do not agree with and I don&#8217;t like&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Amadan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2005 23:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to call myself a libertarian, just because they came closest to my way of thinking. But I was (still am, really) more of what Rosenfelder refers to as a &quot;small government conservative.&quot;

What really made me eschew any identification with libertarianism (and causes me to look askance at anyone who calls himself a libertarian) is the sort of folks Rosenfelder describes. To put it bluntly, I can&#039;t recall ever meeting an honest-to-God Libertarian (as opposed to someone who just has a certain amount of affinity for the libertarian position) who was not a complete asshole. Every self-identified dyed-in-the-wool Libertarian I&#039;ve encountered, in real life or on the net, has been a smarmy I&#039;ve-got-all-the-answers prick.

Maybe not a very scientific basis for disdaining an entire political movement, but empirical evidence tells me that if this is the sort of people they attract, then it&#039;s probably not a movement likely to make the world a better place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to call myself a libertarian, just because they came closest to my way of thinking. But I was (still am, really) more of what Rosenfelder refers to as a &#8220;small government conservative.&#8221;</p>
<p>What really made me eschew any identification with libertarianism (and causes me to look askance at anyone who calls himself a libertarian) is the sort of folks Rosenfelder describes. To put it bluntly, I can&#8217;t recall ever meeting an honest-to-God Libertarian (as opposed to someone who just has a certain amount of affinity for the libertarian position) who was not a complete asshole. Every self-identified dyed-in-the-wool Libertarian I&#8217;ve encountered, in real life or on the net, has been a smarmy I&#8217;ve-got-all-the-answers prick.</p>
<p>Maybe not a very scientific basis for disdaining an entire political movement, but empirical evidence tells me that if this is the sort of people they attract, then it&#8217;s probably not a movement likely to make the world a better place.</p>
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