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		<title>By: unsafeideas</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; This is built into our culture at a deep level, itâ€™s even in the fairy tales we tell kids.&quot;

I am probably late to the party, but which fairy tales we tell kids that being tech savy is a bad thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; This is built into our culture at a deep level, itâ€™s even in the fairy tales we tell kids.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am probably late to the party, but which fairy tales we tell kids that being tech savy is a bad thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Colum Paget</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2015 06:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[# In all seriousness, this contempt by the management classes towards technical
# workers is the main reason Britains economy struggles. We dont have a Google
# or Microsoft like America, we dont have a Volkswagen or Siemens like Germany,
# we dont have a Toyota or Sony like Japan.

In the case of contempt for technical people, this commenter is right. It&#039;s one of the major things that keeps girls (and many boys too, but we ignore them) out of tech. When you&#039;re young and fitting in and being cool is hugely important to you, you don&#039;t want to be seen as a geek or a nerd, so you avoid certain topics. This is built into our culture at a deep level, it&#039;s even in the fairy tales we tell kids. But we can&#039;t even discuss it because the &#039;it&#039;s the patriarchy&#039; crowd don&#039;t want to hear any conflicting ideas. 

But I&#039;m less convinced that our lack of manufacturing can be attributed to this. We used to have such an industry, but it came apart in the 70s/80s, and I don&#039;t buy that we suddenly became contemptuous of it then (some have always been contemptous of it, but plenty of people at the time were hoping to land jobs in traditional manufacturing,  and a lot of people were proud of working in that industry). Furthermore, contempt of technical people is embodied in the idea of the &#039;geek&#039; or &#039;nerd&#039;: there&#039;s a particular stereotype. This is not true of manufacturing-type people.

We do have a significant computer-games industry, thanks to the ZX spectrum boom of the 80s. Still, there has long been a prejudice against technical subjects/people. I think the expectations of many in the 70s/80s were that they/their children would go into traditional manufacturing roles , but those jobs were gone by the time those children grew up. People weren&#039;t prejudiced against that, they expected &quot;you&#039;ll go down pit like father and grandfather before you&quot; But the pits were closed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># In all seriousness, this contempt by the management classes towards technical<br />
# workers is the main reason Britains economy struggles. We dont have a Google<br />
# or Microsoft like America, we dont have a Volkswagen or Siemens like Germany,<br />
# we dont have a Toyota or Sony like Japan.</p>
<p>In the case of contempt for technical people, this commenter is right. It&#8217;s one of the major things that keeps girls (and many boys too, but we ignore them) out of tech. When you&#8217;re young and fitting in and being cool is hugely important to you, you don&#8217;t want to be seen as a geek or a nerd, so you avoid certain topics. This is built into our culture at a deep level, it&#8217;s even in the fairy tales we tell kids. But we can&#8217;t even discuss it because the &#8216;it&#8217;s the patriarchy&#8217; crowd don&#8217;t want to hear any conflicting ideas. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m less convinced that our lack of manufacturing can be attributed to this. We used to have such an industry, but it came apart in the 70s/80s, and I don&#8217;t buy that we suddenly became contemptuous of it then (some have always been contemptous of it, but plenty of people at the time were hoping to land jobs in traditional manufacturing,  and a lot of people were proud of working in that industry). Furthermore, contempt of technical people is embodied in the idea of the &#8216;geek&#8217; or &#8216;nerd&#8217;: there&#8217;s a particular stereotype. This is not true of manufacturing-type people.</p>
<p>We do have a significant computer-games industry, thanks to the ZX spectrum boom of the 80s. Still, there has long been a prejudice against technical subjects/people. I think the expectations of many in the 70s/80s were that they/their children would go into traditional manufacturing roles , but those jobs were gone by the time those children grew up. People weren&#8217;t prejudiced against that, they expected &#8220;you&#8217;ll go down pit like father and grandfather before you&#8221; But the pits were closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not so much a failure of communication as a choice of words that betrays what he really thinks. He looks down his nose at the people who actually do the work of making things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not so much a failure of communication as a choice of words that betrays what he really thinks. He looks down his nose at the people who actually do the work of making things.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulE</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh dear. I think his point may have been: Computer Game Design needs people with artistic talents as well as coders - which is fair comment. But what a horrid way of putting it. I thought these business leaders were supposed to be better communicators than us nerds?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear. I think his point may have been: Computer Game Design needs people with artistic talents as well as coders &#8211; which is fair comment. But what a horrid way of putting it. I thought these business leaders were supposed to be better communicators than us nerds?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed. I mentioned that in the comments in the Grauniad]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. I mentioned that in the comments in the Grauniad</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He reminds me a lot of your former colleague, Nigel Piercy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He reminds me a lot of your former colleague, Nigel Piercy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an idiot but Joe5000 does indeed sum up him and many others like him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an idiot but Joe5000 does indeed sum up him and many others like him.</p>
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