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The idea that no women like prog-rock is another sexist stereotype that needs to die…

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The advantage of being a prog fan – You can tell a band their new song sounds like Uriah Heep and they won’t take it as an grevious insult.

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Is there too much hype in the world of prog?

Progarchy complains that there is too much hyperbole in the prog world.

So far this year we have seen a dozen of entries in the “album of the year contenders” category and, probably the same again in ‘masterpieces’ and classics. I can’t walk through some of the popular discussion groups without tripping over these pedestals.

Is it really true that the new Haken album is a masterpiece or the latest Magenta release? Both are certain to be excellent and well worth a look, for sure. But masterpieces they are not, nowhere near. By ranking them as this we do a disservice to the very music we love because we elevate it far too much and look subjective and a little obsessive, like musical equivalents of anoraks to the uninterested music world.

A forum moderator I know signs off every one of his live reviews with slightly tongue-in-cheek “That was the best gig I’ve ever been to in my life”. But more seriously, I think Progarchy have a very strong point. Even if I have to plead Guilty as Charged for using the phrase “potential album of the year”.

As any progressive rock fan ought to know, the best albums are often the ones that take time to fully appreciate. Someimes the records that make a strong first impression turn out not to last. They pushed all the right buttons to start with, but in the end they weren’t really doing anything groundbreaking. It can be very sobering as a reviewer to go back and listen to something for which you wrote a gushing five-star review, only to realise it wasn’t really that special after all.

On the other hand, there are those records you can go back to and find you’d forgotten just how good they are. Opeth’s “Damnation” and “Watershed” always do that for me.

Music is a funny thing, and your emotional reactions to it can be very subjective, very personal, and sometimes influenced by factors other than the music itself. This is even more true if you actually know the artist.

But in the small, incestuous world of prog, I don’t believe hyperbole really benefits the bands. I can think of one or two bands who keep falling frustratingly short of the greatness I believe they’re capable of. If reviewers fail to highlight those aspects of their music that need more work, we’re doing them a disservice. Even if some the bands’ more zealous supporters don’t always appreciate it at the time.

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It’s my observation that quite a few bands who play straightforward melodic rock or classic metal with a little prog flavouring frequently describe themselves as “prog” to encourage prog fans to give them a listen. In contrast bands with a substantial amount of progressive rock in their musical DNA often play down or deny the prog tag, on the grounds that it limits their potential audience. It may be based on a limited data set, but I can see some logic in both positions.

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Are There Too Many Prog Festivals Now?

Knifeworld, headlining the Stabbing a Dead Horse tour.

Are there just too many Prog festivals now? The collapse of the Y-Prog Festival that was supposed to have taken place of the weekend just gone, and August’s Cambridge Rock Festival reducing prog on the main stage to a mere token presence this year are bad news for prog fans. It may be a case of extrapolating too much from limited data points, but I wonder if there are now more specialist prog festivals than the market can realistically support.

If the prog scene is to continue to grow and prosper, what part should festivals play in this? Are festivals aimed squarely at hardcore prog fandom counterproductive? Do they promote a ghetto mentality when it’s better to get the music out there in front of a wider audience? Should we instead be encouraging more prog bands with crossover appeal to play more “mainstream” rock, indie or folk festivals, and also encourage some of those festivals to add a critical mass of progressively-inclined bands to their lineup?

Ironically that’s precisely what the Cambridge Rock Festival had been doing over the past few years.

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A lot of prog bands have been playing Christmas standards as encores over the past month. I’ve heard three very different versions of “I Believe In Father Christmas” and two different takes on “A Spaceman Came Travelling”. While I can think of one or two, not many bands have tried to write any completely new Christmas songs? Is is time for bands to try and write a new Prog Christmas classic?

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One way to tell if your band is a prog-rock band. Does the bass player rock out far more than the lead guitarist?

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Do musical genre labels (Rock, pop, metal, prog, folk, symphonic or whatever) make far more sense if you think of them more as ingredients than as pigeonholes?

What do you think?

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I’m Not Getting Back In The Van Until You Say We’re Prog

This is a real pet hate of mine. Bands who clearly have progressive rock as a significant element in their musical palette of influences, but try to deny they have anything to do with “prog”.

Of course, it’s up to them how they choose to market themselves, but it does artists no favours to get precious about what genre labels fans or reviewers use to describe their music. As one well-known magazine editor once said “If you don’t want to be labelled Prog, stop making music that sounds Prog”. If a sizeable proportion of a band’s audience are big fans of a specific genre, exactly what does aggressively denying being a part of that genre achieve? It’s only going to alienate a proportion of the fanbase. At worst, it gives fans who don’t care for that genre a licence to behave badly towards fellow-fans, and even to actively try to drive people away on the grounds their presence somehow “taints” the artist. I’ve seen that happen.

In this day and age any band with a diverse mixture of influences ought to be able to keep feet in multiple camps rather than restrict themselves to one self-imposed ghetto. To take a non-random example, there is no reason why sharing a bill with a prog band should prevent you playing something like a blues festival.

Denial of any connection with “prog” was something quite common from bands who formed in the mid-90s when there was still a stigma associated with the genre. Even Marillion tried to pretend they weren’t prog around that time. But in 2012, if you’re making technically complex and grown-up music, anyone who’s still in thrall to the punk-era style music journalism almost certainly isn’t part of your potential audience anyway. So you have little or nothing to lose by not pandering to them. This penny has dropped for many of those artists. Steve Wilson for example has now fully embraced the Prog. But there are still a few who have yet to get the memo.

Surely if people are arguing over whether your music is “prog” or not, then it means you’re actually doing something right? It probably means you’re doing something interesting enough to attract the attention of those who like their music more sophisticated and challenging than typical three-chord chart fodder, but neither are you making formulaic prog-by-numbers.

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Old Clichés Never Die, They Just Smell Like It.

Since it’s Jubilee year again, people of a certain age are getting nostalgic about punk.

To hear some of them it’s difficult to escape the conclusion that a couple of years in the late 70s must have been their one moment of excitement in what subsequently became drab and unfulfilled lives.

Yes, punk produced some great rock’n'roll records, and that ought to be it’s legacy. Not the pseudo-intellectual hogwash from certain sections of the music press that went along with it. All those usual tired clichés are being trotted out yet again, and some of the historical revisionism approaches David Irving levels. The idea that punk completely invalidated prog-rock ignores inconvenient facts like Johnny Rotten being a big fan of Van der Graaf Generator, or some of The Damned liking Pink Floyd. Isn’t there something inherently fascistic about anything that tries to define itself purely by what it hates?

I’ve heard one person on Twitter respond to the question of why you can’t listen to both prog and punk with the patronising “If it has to be explained, you just don’t get it”. These people give every impression that they, like the revisionist punk-era music journalists, don’t actually like music for music’s sake. It’s all about socio-political posturing, tribal identity, image and attitude.

If punk was a reaction to anything, surely it was the parlous state top-40 pop in the second half of the 70s after glam-rock had run out of steam. Unlike Pink Floyd or King Crimson, whose music remains influential to this day, enjoyed by people who weren’t even born in the 1970s, the dross that filled the charts back then hasn’t stood the test of time, full of names nobody can remember thirty years later.

So, can we put the oft-repeated lie that “Punk was necessary to save the world from prog-rock” into the dustbin of history where it belongs, and just appreciate the music itself for what it is?

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