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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s an equally good point. I&#039;ve always believed writers must read outside their genre to avoid being clichÃ©d and derivative. 

Same goes for musicians. The reason there are too many derivative indie, metal and prog bands out there is that too many of them don&#039;t listen nearly widely enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an equally good point. I&#8217;ve always believed writers must read outside their genre to avoid being clichÃ©d and derivative. </p>
<p>Same goes for musicians. The reason there are too many derivative indie, metal and prog bands out there is that too many of them don&#8217;t listen nearly widely enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Serdar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serdar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jun 2013 23:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another aside. I&#039;m creating and maintaining a list of non-SF books for people who write SF:

http://www.genjipress.com/repairshop/non-sf-for-sf-authors.html

I did this because one of the problems I see with many would-be or budding SF authors is how they often read SF and nothing but.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another aside. I&#8217;m creating and maintaining a list of non-SF books for people who write SF:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genjipress.com/repairshop/non-sf-for-sf-authors.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.genjipress.com/repairshop/non-sf-for-sf-authors.html</a></p>
<p>I did this because one of the problems I see with many would-be or budding SF authors is how they often read SF and nothing but.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig West</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig West]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bennett Coles Casualties of War was a good introduction into sci fi for me. http://www.bennettrcoles.com/works/casualties-of-war

I have always enjoyed military fiction so this was a good cross over book for me. Absolutely loved this book so I&#039;m going to backtrack and grab the first &#039;Virtues of War&#039;. I would recommend this book to anyone who enjoys exciting stories and strong characters,  not just sci fi fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bennett Coles Casualties of War was a good introduction into sci fi for me. <a href="http://www.bennettrcoles.com/works/casualties-of-war" rel="nofollow">http://www.bennettrcoles.com/works/casualties-of-war</a></p>
<p>I have always enjoyed military fiction so this was a good cross over book for me. Absolutely loved this book so I&#8217;m going to backtrack and grab the first &#8216;Virtues of War&#8217;. I would recommend this book to anyone who enjoys exciting stories and strong characters,  not just sci fi fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This one&#039;s generated quite a bit of discussion across the interwebs.

I probably could have worded the bit about Golden Age writers to read a little less dismissive, but I still don&#039;t think works dating from the 1950s are necessarily the best introductions for new readers. There&#039;s probably a bit of &quot;Standing on the shoulders of giants&quot; at play, and without Heinlein and Asimov to blaze a trail we&#039;d probably never have had writers of the calibre of Iain Banks working within the SF field. But I still feel more modern writers are more accessible to readers of mainstream contemporary fiction. 

Probably guilty as charged of ignoring the 60s/70s generation of writers such as Ursula LeGuin and Michael Moorcock, though. 

@JinjaBeardy -  I love Stross&#039; Laundry novels, but I&#039;m not sure how they read to someone without prior knowledge of H.P.Lovecraft. Ditto the near-future police procedurals Halting State and Rule 34 - They&#039;re full of MMORPG and other geek culture references that strongly appeal to the sorts of readers who are probably reading SF&amp;F anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one&#8217;s generated quite a bit of discussion across the interwebs.</p>
<p>I probably could have worded the bit about Golden Age writers to read a little less dismissive, but I still don&#8217;t think works dating from the 1950s are necessarily the best introductions for new readers. There&#8217;s probably a bit of &#8220;Standing on the shoulders of giants&#8221; at play, and without Heinlein and Asimov to blaze a trail we&#8217;d probably never have had writers of the calibre of Iain Banks working within the SF field. But I still feel more modern writers are more accessible to readers of mainstream contemporary fiction. </p>
<p>Probably guilty as charged of ignoring the 60s/70s generation of writers such as Ursula LeGuin and Michael Moorcock, though. </p>
<p>@JinjaBeardy &#8211;  I love Stross&#8217; Laundry novels, but I&#8217;m not sure how they read to someone without prior knowledge of H.P.Lovecraft. Ditto the near-future police procedurals Halting State and Rule 34 &#8211; They&#8217;re full of MMORPG and other geek culture references that strongly appeal to the sorts of readers who are probably reading SF&#038;F anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: JinjaBeardy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JinjaBeardy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was interested by your comment about women authors in your list. I had a think about that and realised that I don&#039;t - and wouldn&#039;t consciously - pick the fiction books I read based on any characteristic of the author, but it just so happens that the first book I thought of is by a female author who is likewise the only one amongst my choices. Anyway here&#039;s my list.

If you know someone who likes crime procedurals then Kristine Kathryn Rusch&#039;s Retrieval Artist series is the SF for you. Strong and believable characters set in a universe where humans are struggling to find their place in amongst some pretty unpleasant (and unfathomable) alien races.

&quot;The Disappeared&quot; by Kristine Kathryn Rusch. &#039;CSI in spaaaaaaaace&#039;

If your intended victim, oops sorry, reader is into spy novels then I&#039;d go for a second dose of Charles Stross to add to your choice, in the form of his &#039;Laundry Files&#039;, Another cross-genre series, part SF, part horror, part spy novel and more besides.

&quot;The Atrocity Archives&quot; by Charles Stross. If James Bond had started in I.T. ... 

If you&#039;d like the reader to get the &#039;sense of awe&#039; that science fiction is often quoted as inspiring and they are wondering what that&#039;s all about, there are plenty to choose from but using the &#039;No established golden oldies&#039; criterion then I&#039;d pick Jack McDevitt as a relatively easy read for SF newbies.

&quot;Engines of God&quot; by Jack McDevitt. Archeology in space, with fighting.

Time travel. A staple of SF, and the one plot device that even a person who has never read a word of SF will know. A vaguely related field is alternative history. For newbies there is much to choose from, and while it&#039;s a little dated now I still enjoyed the plot of my selection, mainly because it doesn&#039;t actually involve direct time travel (which appeals to the hard-SF fan in me) and it has a heavy dose of alternate history too. Take this stone, two birds.

&quot;Timescape&quot; by Gregory Benford. Time travel (ish), Alternate history, eco-disasters and scientists as the central figures.

Finally, we need something for the action fiction fans. If your intended SF reader-to-be likes their action full-on, and isn&#039;t put off by some pretty graphic depictions of violent action, then you could do worse than Richard Morgan.

&quot;Altered Carbon&quot; by Richard Morgan. Not a rose-tinted pair specs to be found in this future vision. 

There, that&#039;s my tuppence-worth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested by your comment about women authors in your list. I had a think about that and realised that I don&#8217;t &#8211; and wouldn&#8217;t consciously &#8211; pick the fiction books I read based on any characteristic of the author, but it just so happens that the first book I thought of is by a female author who is likewise the only one amongst my choices. Anyway here&#8217;s my list.</p>
<p>If you know someone who likes crime procedurals then Kristine Kathryn Rusch&#8217;s Retrieval Artist series is the SF for you. Strong and believable characters set in a universe where humans are struggling to find their place in amongst some pretty unpleasant (and unfathomable) alien races.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Disappeared&#8221; by Kristine Kathryn Rusch. &#8216;CSI in spaaaaaaaace&#8217;</p>
<p>If your intended victim, oops sorry, reader is into spy novels then I&#8217;d go for a second dose of Charles Stross to add to your choice, in the form of his &#8216;Laundry Files&#8217;, Another cross-genre series, part SF, part horror, part spy novel and more besides.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Atrocity Archives&#8221; by Charles Stross. If James Bond had started in I.T. &#8230; </p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like the reader to get the &#8216;sense of awe&#8217; that science fiction is often quoted as inspiring and they are wondering what that&#8217;s all about, there are plenty to choose from but using the &#8216;No established golden oldies&#8217; criterion then I&#8217;d pick Jack McDevitt as a relatively easy read for SF newbies.</p>
<p>&#8220;Engines of God&#8221; by Jack McDevitt. Archeology in space, with fighting.</p>
<p>Time travel. A staple of SF, and the one plot device that even a person who has never read a word of SF will know. A vaguely related field is alternative history. For newbies there is much to choose from, and while it&#8217;s a little dated now I still enjoyed the plot of my selection, mainly because it doesn&#8217;t actually involve direct time travel (which appeals to the hard-SF fan in me) and it has a heavy dose of alternate history too. Take this stone, two birds.</p>
<p>&#8220;Timescape&#8221; by Gregory Benford. Time travel (ish), Alternate history, eco-disasters and scientists as the central figures.</p>
<p>Finally, we need something for the action fiction fans. If your intended SF reader-to-be likes their action full-on, and isn&#8217;t put off by some pretty graphic depictions of violent action, then you could do worse than Richard Morgan.</p>
<p>&#8220;Altered Carbon&#8221; by Richard Morgan. Not a rose-tinted pair specs to be found in this future vision. </p>
<p>There, that&#8217;s my tuppence-worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin prince</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin prince]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iain Banks&#039;. Inversions should surely make the list. Two interwoven stories set in   Medieval world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain Banks&#8217;. Inversions should surely make the list. Two interwoven stories set in   Medieval world.</p>
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		<title>By: Serdar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serdar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should make my own full article to reply, but here&#039;s my off-the-cuff list:

&quot;WE&quot;, Evgeny Zamyatin
&quot;The Star Diaries&quot; or &quot;Solaris&quot;, StanisÅ‚aw Lem
&quot;The Stars My Destination&quot;, Alfred Bester
&quot;The Revolving Boy&quot;, Gertrude Friedberg

And maybe something by Daniel M. Pinkwater.

... And my own books, but I&#039;m biased. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should make my own full article to reply, but here&#8217;s my off-the-cuff list:</p>
<p>&#8220;WE&#8221;, Evgeny Zamyatin<br />
&#8220;The Star Diaries&#8221; or &#8220;Solaris&#8221;, StanisÅ‚aw Lem<br />
&#8220;The Stars My Destination&#8221;, Alfred Bester<br />
&#8220;The Revolving Boy&#8221;, Gertrude Friedberg</p>
<p>And maybe something by Daniel M. Pinkwater.</p>
<p>&#8230; And my own books, but I&#8217;m biased. <img src='http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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