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	<title>Comments on: Why The Harassment Discussion is Toxic?</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Not that I have read any&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Funny, everyone says that...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Not that I have read any&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Funny, everyone says that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh dear.

Not that I have ever read any, but does this mean that the Gor series of books must be outlawed?

I presume this means that whitemetal castings of female warriors in the legendary Leotard of AC-2 or the Bikini of AC-4 are also to be outlawed?

I remember promising the Student Union Funding Committee that the Games Society would not be buying those with the grant we were applying for, but they were in the catalogue and it was strange how the committee spent more time looking at that page than at the figures we did want to buy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear.</p>
<p>Not that I have ever read any, but does this mean that the Gor series of books must be outlawed?</p>
<p>I presume this means that whitemetal castings of female warriors in the legendary Leotard of AC-2 or the Bikini of AC-4 are also to be outlawed?</p>
<p>I remember promising the Student Union Funding Committee that the Games Society would not be buying those with the grant we were applying for, but they were in the catalogue and it was strange how the committee spent more time looking at that page than at the figures we did want to buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One bone of contention is the sample code of conduct published by the Ada Initiative, which includes a clause that bans on &quot;all sexualised material&quot;, applying across the board to all presentations and attendees. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sexual language and imagery is not appropriate for any conference venue, including talks. Conference participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled from the conference [without a refund] at the discretion of the conference organizers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and

&lt;blockquote&gt;Exhibitors in the expo hall, sponsor or vendor booths, or similar activities are also subject to the anti-harassment policy. In particular, exhibitors should not use sexualized images, activities, or other material. Booth staff (including volunteers) should not use sexualized clothing/uniforms/costumes, or otherwise create a sexualized environment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s intended to enforce professional behaviour at tech conferences, although it has generated controversy in that context. There is a movement demanding it be adopted for game conventions, specifically Gen Con. 

I&#039;ve seen at least one person insisting the clause about sexualised context must be retained (even though the Ada Inititive themselves state that it&#039;s not appropriate for all contexts). It would have the effect, for example, of banning anyone from selling or playing &quot;Chez Geek&quot; because of the &quot;Nookie&quot; card. That&#039;s serious mission creep.

I have no idea whether this attitude extends beyond a handful of individuals, or whether or not anyone else is taking them seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One bone of contention is the sample code of conduct published by the Ada Initiative, which includes a clause that bans on &#8220;all sexualised material&#8221;, applying across the board to all presentations and attendees. </p>
<blockquote><p>Sexual language and imagery is not appropriate for any conference venue, including talks. Conference participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled from the conference [without a refund] at the discretion of the conference organizers.</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>Exhibitors in the expo hall, sponsor or vendor booths, or similar activities are also subject to the anti-harassment policy. In particular, exhibitors should not use sexualized images, activities, or other material. Booth staff (including volunteers) should not use sexualized clothing/uniforms/costumes, or otherwise create a sexualized environment.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s intended to enforce professional behaviour at tech conferences, although it has generated controversy in that context. There is a movement demanding it be adopted for game conventions, specifically Gen Con. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen at least one person insisting the clause about sexualised context must be retained (even though the Ada Inititive themselves state that it&#8217;s not appropriate for all contexts). It would have the effect, for example, of banning anyone from selling or playing &#8220;Chez Geek&#8221; because of the &#8220;Nookie&#8221; card. That&#8217;s serious mission creep.</p>
<p>I have no idea whether this attitude extends beyond a handful of individuals, or whether or not anyone else is taking them seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Serdar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serdar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that such things do happen shouldn&#039;t be an excuse to make them into a bludgeon, and the fact that they happen rarely shouldn&#039;t be an excuse to minimize them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that such things do happen shouldn&#8217;t be an excuse to make them into a bludgeon, and the fact that they happen rarely shouldn&#8217;t be an excuse to minimize them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/sf-and-gaming/games/why-harrassment-discussion-is-toxic/comment-page-1/#comment-30307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why I refer you to point (6)...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why I refer you to point (6)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Amadan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amadan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the people who actually want to censor free speech are no more common than the people who actually commit sexual harassment. Don&#039;t exaggerate the problem about harassment; also don&#039;t exaggerate the positions of people who are against harassment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the people who actually want to censor free speech are no more common than the people who actually commit sexual harassment. Don&#8217;t exaggerate the problem about harassment; also don&#8217;t exaggerate the positions of people who are against harassment.</p>
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