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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/prog-gate-the-prog-corruption-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-15876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 10:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have my suspicions over who might be behind this now.  I won&#039;t say any more in case those suspicions turn out to be wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have my suspicions over who might be behind this now.  I won&#8217;t say any more in case those suspicions turn out to be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/prog-gate-the-prog-corruption-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-15524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed. 

To do a proper scientific survey of a scene as small as the UK prog scene would require a far more time and effort than anybody remotely sensible would consider worthwhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. </p>
<p>To do a proper scientific survey of a scene as small as the UK prog scene would require a far more time and effort than anybody remotely sensible would consider worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulE</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/prog-gate-the-prog-corruption-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-15522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PaulE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just in case this isn&#039;t the last we hear of this, or someone else makes extravagant claims about polls or poll rigging - it might be worth looking at what &quot;scientific survey&quot; methods are and why they are used for political opinion polls (rather than the kind of polls CRPP &amp; DPRP had).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.britishpollingcouncil.org/questions.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Polling Council&lt;/a&gt;

The whole argument that this Myers blog was making was based on an entirely wrong understanding of polls. Not a leg to stand on before we even got to the factual inaccuracies, timeline issues, or the agenda that Tim has outlined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case this isn&#8217;t the last we hear of this, or someone else makes extravagant claims about polls or poll rigging &#8211; it might be worth looking at what &#8220;scientific survey&#8221; methods are and why they are used for political opinion polls (rather than the kind of polls CRPP &amp; DPRP had).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.britishpollingcouncil.org/questions.html" rel="nofollow">Polling Council</a></p>
<p>The whole argument that this Myers blog was making was based on an entirely wrong understanding of polls. Not a leg to stand on before we even got to the factual inaccuracies, timeline issues, or the agenda that Tim has outlined.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/prog-gate-the-prog-corruption-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-15514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Polls should never be taken too seriously. They tend to reflect the readership or membership of the publication or organisation running the poll.  Panic Room have had a lot of favourable coverage in the past, a lot of their fans read CRPP, so their doing well in the poll isn&#039;t really a surprise.  Also Panic Room seem to have an stronger appeal to people who don&#039;t particularly like female-fronted prog in general, which is the most logical explanation for why Anne-Marie Helder keeps winning female vocalist of the year. Apart from her being a great singer, of course.

And if Panic Room used their social media presence to canvass for votes, I really don&#039;t see what the problem is. Success in music *does* have as much to do with promotion as it does with making amazing music, and anyone who claims that&#039;s cheating is a  child. It&#039;s not like we&#039;re talking about mainstream shock-and-awe campaigns for mediocre nonentities who will have 15 minutes of fame then disappear, is it?

And one thing I need to make clear. Esoteric Antenna are not a &quot;major record label&quot;.  As co-proprietor Vicky Powell has stated, they&#039;re part of the Cherry Red group, the oldest surviving independent label in the UK.  Given the reprehensible behaviour of the EMI/Sony/WMG/Universal cartel who represent &quot;The majors&quot; in recent years, it&#039;s a very important distinction to maintain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polls should never be taken too seriously. They tend to reflect the readership or membership of the publication or organisation running the poll.  Panic Room have had a lot of favourable coverage in the past, a lot of their fans read CRPP, so their doing well in the poll isn&#8217;t really a surprise.  Also Panic Room seem to have an stronger appeal to people who don&#8217;t particularly like female-fronted prog in general, which is the most logical explanation for why Anne-Marie Helder keeps winning female vocalist of the year. Apart from her being a great singer, of course.</p>
<p>And if Panic Room used their social media presence to canvass for votes, I really don&#8217;t see what the problem is. Success in music *does* have as much to do with promotion as it does with making amazing music, and anyone who claims that&#8217;s cheating is a  child. It&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re talking about mainstream shock-and-awe campaigns for mediocre nonentities who will have 15 minutes of fame then disappear, is it?</p>
<p>And one thing I need to make clear. Esoteric Antenna are not a &#8220;major record label&#8221;.  As co-proprietor Vicky Powell has stated, they&#8217;re part of the Cherry Red group, the oldest surviving independent label in the UK.  Given the reprehensible behaviour of the EMI/Sony/WMG/Universal cartel who represent &#8220;The majors&#8221; in recent years, it&#8217;s a very important distinction to maintain.</p>
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		<title>By: Wednesday</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/prog-gate-the-prog-corruption-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-15509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wednesday]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading your post here, I pulled up the cached version of the blog page in question (nothing is ever really deleted from the internet) and had a read through... it does seem very bitter, but (and this is me playing Devil&#039;s Advocate, rather than saying that I agree with the viewpoint) I can see how &quot;she&quot; could have drawn some of the conclusions, simply because there were some names that appeared multiple times throughout the results, which always makes readers wonder if the results were drawn up fairly and without bias. 

But then, every poll or list drawn as a result of fan-based votes will always come under suspicion - because everyone has different tastes and therefore expects different results... just consider the names in the current top music charts, and see how many of them you agree with, and how many you believe are up there because they&#039;ve had money and top names pushing to get them there, rather than because they are the best of the best.

The blog is rather unfair and I will state that I don&#039;t agree with it... I thought the results of the polls were good - and was even suprised (in a positive way) to see some names that I didn&#039;t expect to be included. It looks like someone was angry about something and wanted to lash out - and took an ill-advised path, that must have drawn regret as the post did get removed.

Back-stage politics are an evil in the music industry - I know one band who were &quot;cyber-attacked&quot; by someone intent on sabotaging their FB pages, with the resultant effect on their analytics meaning that their traffic (and subsequent exposure) was massively reduced. But rather than get mad, they turned it around and called on their fans to help them re-raise their page-views... which they couldn&#039;t do unless the fans were genuine and on their side (which they were).  This same band are confused that anyone would feel the need to &quot;play dirty&quot; - they see their fellow musicians as siblings rather than rivals, and any positive exposure for another band (particularly in the Prog scene) is a good thing, that scores not just for the genre, but also for small / unsigned bands everywhere.

It&#039;s such a shame that everyone can&#039;t just Get Along... but I suppose that while some see music as an art-form, others see it as a competitive business - and in the business world, dirty tactics and nasty tricks are weapons wielded by those who know they can&#039;t better others if they play fair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your post here, I pulled up the cached version of the blog page in question (nothing is ever really deleted from the internet) and had a read through&#8230; it does seem very bitter, but (and this is me playing Devil&#8217;s Advocate, rather than saying that I agree with the viewpoint) I can see how &#8220;she&#8221; could have drawn some of the conclusions, simply because there were some names that appeared multiple times throughout the results, which always makes readers wonder if the results were drawn up fairly and without bias. </p>
<p>But then, every poll or list drawn as a result of fan-based votes will always come under suspicion &#8211; because everyone has different tastes and therefore expects different results&#8230; just consider the names in the current top music charts, and see how many of them you agree with, and how many you believe are up there because they&#8217;ve had money and top names pushing to get them there, rather than because they are the best of the best.</p>
<p>The blog is rather unfair and I will state that I don&#8217;t agree with it&#8230; I thought the results of the polls were good &#8211; and was even suprised (in a positive way) to see some names that I didn&#8217;t expect to be included. It looks like someone was angry about something and wanted to lash out &#8211; and took an ill-advised path, that must have drawn regret as the post did get removed.</p>
<p>Back-stage politics are an evil in the music industry &#8211; I know one band who were &#8220;cyber-attacked&#8221; by someone intent on sabotaging their FB pages, with the resultant effect on their analytics meaning that their traffic (and subsequent exposure) was massively reduced. But rather than get mad, they turned it around and called on their fans to help them re-raise their page-views&#8230; which they couldn&#8217;t do unless the fans were genuine and on their side (which they were).  This same band are confused that anyone would feel the need to &#8220;play dirty&#8221; &#8211; they see their fellow musicians as siblings rather than rivals, and any positive exposure for another band (particularly in the Prog scene) is a good thing, that scores not just for the genre, but also for small / unsigned bands everywhere.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s such a shame that everyone can&#8217;t just Get Along&#8230; but I suppose that while some see music as an art-form, others see it as a competitive business &#8211; and in the business world, dirty tactics and nasty tricks are weapons wielded by those who know they can&#8217;t better others if they play fair.</p>
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