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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/panic-room-and-the-reasoning-sign-to-esoteric/comment-page-1/#comment-15234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for other bands, I&#039;ve found it varies, and often depends on how heavily the venue promotes gigs. 

Bilston Robin 2 always gets good crowds whoever is playing. Mostly Autumn usually get decent-sized audience, and Heather Findlay&#039;s debut solo tour was pretty well attended too. And The Reasoning sold out The Borderline last July.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for other bands, I&#8217;ve found it varies, and often depends on how heavily the venue promotes gigs. </p>
<p>Bilston Robin 2 always gets good crowds whoever is playing. Mostly Autumn usually get decent-sized audience, and Heather Findlay&#8217;s debut solo tour was pretty well attended too. And The Reasoning sold out The Borderline last July.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, right about Porcupine Tree and Opeth playing to a younger (and much bigger) crowd - Opeth filled the 5000 capacity Brixton Academy last November. But they&#039;re more metal-orientated in their sound, and metal fans are both more numerous and younger than typical prog fans.

Saying that, when I saw Sonata Arctica (who are power metal rather than prog), I was struck by how close to Mostly Autumn many of their songs were; the biggest difference was how the guitars sounded.  They attracted a big crowd midweek in Reading, and I&#039;m sure it ought to be possible to sell bands like Mostly Autumn, The Reasoning or Touchstone to that sort of audience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, right about Porcupine Tree and Opeth playing to a younger (and much bigger) crowd &#8211; Opeth filled the 5000 capacity Brixton Academy last November. But they&#8217;re more metal-orientated in their sound, and metal fans are both more numerous and younger than typical prog fans.</p>
<p>Saying that, when I saw Sonata Arctica (who are power metal rather than prog), I was struck by how close to Mostly Autumn many of their songs were; the biggest difference was how the guitars sounded.  They attracted a big crowd midweek in Reading, and I&#8217;m sure it ought to be possible to sell bands like Mostly Autumn, The Reasoning or Touchstone to that sort of audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Page</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Page]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I know for a fact porcupine tree and Opeth have younger audiences and are very well attended generally. 
Oh and I&#039;m one of the young Prog fans out there and love Porcupine tree especially.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I know for a fact porcupine tree and Opeth have younger audiences and are very well attended generally.<br />
Oh and I&#8217;m one of the young Prog fans out there and love Porcupine tree especially.</p>
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		<title>By: delly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further to the comments on live gigs.
I have attended quite a number of gigs of the progressive persuasion at Bury Met, Robin Bilston, Holmfirth et al and have always been surprised by the smallish turnout, largely of  40/50ish blokes with some interesting haircuts or lack of! 
Has anyone been to see Porcupine Tree, Opeth or Riverside as I would be interested to see the turnout and age/gender for those gigs.
Pure Reason Revolution was a poor turnout at Holmfirth for the final tour but I believe the London gig was well populated.

luv Delly

ps Jerry Ewing is a star and I wouldn&#039;t have discovered the Reasoning, Panic Room or any new prog without his support and excellent magazine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to the comments on live gigs.<br />
I have attended quite a number of gigs of the progressive persuasion at Bury Met, Robin Bilston, Holmfirth et al and have always been surprised by the smallish turnout, largely of  40/50ish blokes with some interesting haircuts or lack of!<br />
Has anyone been to see Porcupine Tree, Opeth or Riverside as I would be interested to see the turnout and age/gender for those gigs.<br />
Pure Reason Revolution was a poor turnout at Holmfirth for the final tour but I believe the London gig was well populated.</p>
<p>luv Delly</p>
<p>ps Jerry Ewing is a star and I wouldn&#8217;t have discovered the Reasoning, Panic Room or any new prog without his support and excellent magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thought I&#039;ve had, which I was reminded of last night while listening to last.fm.

What impact will Panic Room&#039;s signing a record deal have on the Italian metal band of the same name? As far as I can tell, &quot;our&quot; Panic Room have been in existence for longer and have a prior claim to the name. 

It probably didn&#039;t matter much as long as neither band had an international profile, but now Panic Room seem destined for bigger things, it may well become an issue. I hope it can be resolved amicably by both parties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thought I&#8217;ve had, which I was reminded of last night while listening to last.fm.</p>
<p>What impact will Panic Room&#8217;s signing a record deal have on the Italian metal band of the same name? As far as I can tell, &#8220;our&#8221; Panic Room have been in existence for longer and have a prior claim to the name. </p>
<p>It probably didn&#8217;t matter much as long as neither band had an international profile, but now Panic Room seem destined for bigger things, it may well become an issue. I hope it can be resolved amicably by both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 11:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Completely agree with Dave about that Panic Room live review. Reviews should focus on the music, not take up more than half the space accusing the band of lacking professionalism. Especially when some of those accusations were factually inaccurate.

Anyone who thinks what was said was fair comment or valid constructive criticism ought to speak to the band themselves. Whatever part Jerry Ewing played in getting them the record deal doesn&#039;t change that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with Dave about that Panic Room live review. Reviews should focus on the music, not take up more than half the space accusing the band of lacking professionalism. Especially when some of those accusations were factually inaccurate.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks what was said was fair comment or valid constructive criticism ought to speak to the band themselves. Whatever part Jerry Ewing played in getting them the record deal doesn&#8217;t change that.</p>
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		<title>By: PTG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jerry Ewing is 100% correct]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Ewing is 100% correct</p>
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		<title>By: HippyDave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HippyDave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair to Jerry, there&#039;s absolutely no question that the deals in question wouldn&#039;t have happened nearly as quickly without his help. Jerry, I fully realise that those of us who have a fondness for these bands owe you a debt of gratitude for that - that has been made absolutely clear by everyone involved. Your long-term championing of first Karnataka, then of the various &quot;phoenix bands&quot; is appreciated, and by no-one more than I (except perhaps the bands themselves!).

I also accept a degree of disingenuousness (disingenuosity?) in talking about &quot;Prog&quot;s London-centric gig coverage as if you are solely to blame for it. Clearly, as the Editor, you are in no small part responsible for how the mag operates, but it is not *solely* down to you. So if my previous commentary feels like me &quot;slagging you off&quot;, then I do apologise. That doesn&#039;t make the commentary any less true, though, as borne out by other comments here and elsewhere.

I won&#039;t apologise for any remarks I&#039;ve made about the Panic Room live review, though. I can see that the intent was maybe to try and give the band a push, but - as I know you&#039;ve discovered - that&#039;s certainly not the effect it had, nor was it how it read. I, more than most people, know how it is to (a) be misinterpreted, or (b) insert my foot in my mouth, but that really was, as they say, a humdinger :-).

I&#039;m not interested in starting an argument (&quot;is this 5 minutes or the full half-hour?&quot;), and it&#039;s not my intent to offend (perhaps needle a bit, or even bait, but never offend). If we must, perhaps we should agree to differ, but I&#039;d prefer to think that I/we may have a point (or points), however coached in sarcasm it/they might be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to Jerry, there&#8217;s absolutely no question that the deals in question wouldn&#8217;t have happened nearly as quickly without his help. Jerry, I fully realise that those of us who have a fondness for these bands owe you a debt of gratitude for that &#8211; that has been made absolutely clear by everyone involved. Your long-term championing of first Karnataka, then of the various &#8220;phoenix bands&#8221; is appreciated, and by no-one more than I (except perhaps the bands themselves!).</p>
<p>I also accept a degree of disingenuousness (disingenuosity?) in talking about &#8220;Prog&#8221;s London-centric gig coverage as if you are solely to blame for it. Clearly, as the Editor, you are in no small part responsible for how the mag operates, but it is not *solely* down to you. So if my previous commentary feels like me &#8220;slagging you off&#8221;, then I do apologise. That doesn&#8217;t make the commentary any less true, though, as borne out by other comments here and elsewhere.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t apologise for any remarks I&#8217;ve made about the Panic Room live review, though. I can see that the intent was maybe to try and give the band a push, but &#8211; as I know you&#8217;ve discovered &#8211; that&#8217;s certainly not the effect it had, nor was it how it read. I, more than most people, know how it is to (a) be misinterpreted, or (b) insert my foot in my mouth, but that really was, as they say, a humdinger <img src='http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not interested in starting an argument (&#8220;is this 5 minutes or the full half-hour?&#8221;), and it&#8217;s not my intent to offend (perhaps needle a bit, or even bait, but never offend). If we must, perhaps we should agree to differ, but I&#8217;d prefer to think that I/we may have a point (or points), however coached in sarcasm it/they might be.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely with Dave and Nathan about London gigs - Nowhere in London compares with places like Bilston Robin 2 or Bury Met, and the contrast is really stark if you saw the same band at 02 Academy 2 a few days before.  And Bilston Robin 2 typically draws a bigger crowd on a Sunday than most London venues draw on a Friday or Saturday. And they&#039;re more enthusiastic, and don&#039;t chatter through the quiet bits either.

And when it comes to higher-profile bands like Marillion and Opeth, the London date is always somewhere bigger, more corporate and less intimate than the equivalent venues in places like Manchester.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely with Dave and Nathan about London gigs &#8211; Nowhere in London compares with places like Bilston Robin 2 or Bury Met, and the contrast is really stark if you saw the same band at 02 Academy 2 a few days before.  And Bilston Robin 2 typically draws a bigger crowd on a Sunday than most London venues draw on a Friday or Saturday. And they&#8217;re more enthusiastic, and don&#8217;t chatter through the quiet bits either.</p>
<p>And when it comes to higher-profile bands like Marillion and Opeth, the London date is always somewhere bigger, more corporate and less intimate than the equivalent venues in places like Manchester.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Page</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Page]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with Dave about London gigs, have yet to see an excellent gig in the capital. Every other major city i.e. Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds. I have seen excellent gigs in. 
Plus you Londoners didn&#039;t get to sing &quot; I&#039;ve got 13 channels of shit to choose from&quot; at Roger Waters wall shows, Manchester was first since Mexico city ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Dave about London gigs, have yet to see an excellent gig in the capital. Every other major city i.e. Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds. I have seen excellent gigs in.<br />
Plus you Londoners didn&#8217;t get to sing &#8221; I&#8217;ve got 13 channels of shit to choose from&#8221; at Roger Waters wall shows, Manchester was first since Mexico city <img src='http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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