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	<title>Comments on: Mastodon&#8217;s &#8220;The Motherload&#8221; and the backlash</title>
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		<title>By: Naked Music Monday: Mastodon, &#8220;The Motherload&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/music-opinion/mastodons-the-motherload-and-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-58868</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Naked Music Monday: Mastodon, &#8220;The Motherload&#8221;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] other strippers, other pole dancers, hell, even professional dancers. The silence was deafening. It is obvious why the pole dancers have said very littleâ€”many of the forums I belong to never gave the video a momentâ€™s attentionâ€”there was no pole in [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] other strippers, other pole dancers, hell, even professional dancers. The silence was deafening. It is obvious why the pole dancers have said very littleâ€”many of the forums I belong to never gave the video a momentâ€™s attentionâ€”there was no pole in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Will Shetterly</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/music-opinion/mastodons-the-motherload-and-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-57973</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Shetterly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 15:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Full agreement, and I&#039;m afraid to google about the Banksy mural because humans are rarely worse than when they think they&#039;re being righteous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full agreement, and I&#8217;m afraid to google about the Banksy mural because humans are rarely worse than when they think they&#8217;re being righteous.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/music-opinion/mastodons-the-motherload-and-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-57963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 10:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree we have a duty to oppose sexism and racism when it comes to behaviour towards real people, whether it&#039;s in the workplace or online harrassment.

But when it comes to art and entertainment, I&#039;m very wary of anything that amounts to a call for censorship. Criticism is fine, and Dom Lawson is doing his job as a rock critic here. But too much of the culture wars I&#039;ve seen play out in the science fiction and tabletop RPG worlds go beyond that. It&#039;s reached the point where &quot;social justice&quot; has become associated with censorship and witch-hunts.

Good art should provoke and challenge, and needs to be free to be controversal. A culture of knee-jerk outrage creates a climate of fear, and you end up with situations like that Banksy mural getting destroyed because some ignoramus thought it was racist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree we have a duty to oppose sexism and racism when it comes to behaviour towards real people, whether it&#8217;s in the workplace or online harrassment.</p>
<p>But when it comes to art and entertainment, I&#8217;m very wary of anything that amounts to a call for censorship. Criticism is fine, and Dom Lawson is doing his job as a rock critic here. But too much of the culture wars I&#8217;ve seen play out in the science fiction and tabletop RPG worlds go beyond that. It&#8217;s reached the point where &#8220;social justice&#8221; has become associated with censorship and witch-hunts.</p>
<p>Good art should provoke and challenge, and needs to be free to be controversal. A culture of knee-jerk outrage creates a climate of fear, and you end up with situations like that Banksy mural getting destroyed because some ignoramus thought it was racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Shetterly</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/music-opinion/mastodons-the-motherload-and-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-57896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Shetterly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2014 15:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always laugh when white men happily, in the names of feminism and anti-racism, dismiss the opinions of black women.

&lt;em&gt;Moderator&#039;s note - Corrected Will&#039;s original post and deleted the follow-ups)&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always laugh when white men happily, in the names of feminism and anti-racism, dismiss the opinions of black women.</p>
<p><em>Moderator&#8217;s note &#8211; Corrected Will&#8217;s original post and deleted the follow-ups)</em></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/music-opinion/mastodons-the-motherload-and-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-57891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2014 14:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may not have expressed myself clearly. The point I was trying to make was that we should listen to more that one point of view rather than making instant judgements. I do think the blog post from Jade, the dancer in the video, represents a valid voice that deserves to be heard. Dom Lawson&#039;s opposing opinion is equally valid.

I do think the video is tacky, tasteless and offensive, and doesn&#039;t do a lot for Mastodon&#039;s reputation. But it&#039;s not as if anyone is being forced to watch it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not have expressed myself clearly. The point I was trying to make was that we should listen to more that one point of view rather than making instant judgements. I do think the blog post from Jade, the dancer in the video, represents a valid voice that deserves to be heard. Dom Lawson&#8217;s opposing opinion is equally valid.</p>
<p>I do think the video is tacky, tasteless and offensive, and doesn&#8217;t do a lot for Mastodon&#8217;s reputation. But it&#8217;s not as if anyone is being forced to watch it.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Brunning</title>
		<link>http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/music/music-opinion/mastodons-the-motherload-and-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-57884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Brunning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2014 13:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Tim - I disagree.

Of course we need to listen to women. We need to listen a lot more. But the fact that one or two people don&#039;t see a problem doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t one, whether they be men or women. It isn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; men who contribute to the patriarchal society that we live in. 

And we really need to call out and challenge misogyny wherever and wherever we see it. &lt;a href=&quot;http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/the-standard-you-walk-past-is-the-standard-you-accept/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.&lt;/a&gt; It&#039;s not that we need to defend women - they are perfectly capable of defending themselves. But doing what we think is right is perfectly OK.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Tim &#8211; I disagree.</p>
<p>Of course we need to listen to women. We need to listen a lot more. But the fact that one or two people don&#8217;t see a problem doesn&#8217;t mean there isn&#8217;t one, whether they be men or women. It isn&#8217;t <em>only</em> men who contribute to the patriarchal society that we live in. </p>
<p>And we really need to call out and challenge misogyny wherever and wherever we see it. <a href="http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/the-standard-you-walk-past-is-the-standard-you-accept/" rel="nofollow">The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.</a> It&#8217;s not that we need to defend women &#8211; they are perfectly capable of defending themselves. But doing what we think is right is perfectly OK.</p>
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