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		<title>By: David Meadows</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to start by questioning whether a &quot;narrow genre&quot; really exists.

My first love, long before I discovered prog rock, was classical music. Still is. Now imagine I have never discovered prog and was still a &quot;classical music&quot; fan and had spent the last 30 years listening to one genre: classical music. 

Ok. That&#039;s 900 years of music, with more recorded output than you could actually listen to in one lifetime. And despite being one genre, the *breadth* of that genre is undeniable. Bach sounds nothing like Brahms sounds nothing like Boulez.

Now look at prog. Ok, that&#039;s a narrow genre, right?

Nope, despite only being around for 50 years (only???), when I look at a random issue of the eponymous magazine that exclusively covers the genre I find reviews of Soft Machine which sound nothing like Steeleye Span which sound nothing like Marillion which sound nothing like Graham Bond.

You could listen to prog for a lifetime and still find something unexpected at the end of it.

If anyone ever uses the phrase &quot;narrow genre&quot;, it probably means they don&#039;t know anything about the genre they&#039;re describing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to start by questioning whether a &#8220;narrow genre&#8221; really exists.</p>
<p>My first love, long before I discovered prog rock, was classical music. Still is. Now imagine I have never discovered prog and was still a &#8220;classical music&#8221; fan and had spent the last 30 years listening to one genre: classical music. </p>
<p>Ok. That&#8217;s 900 years of music, with more recorded output than you could actually listen to in one lifetime. And despite being one genre, the *breadth* of that genre is undeniable. Bach sounds nothing like Brahms sounds nothing like Boulez.</p>
<p>Now look at prog. Ok, that&#8217;s a narrow genre, right?</p>
<p>Nope, despite only being around for 50 years (only???), when I look at a random issue of the eponymous magazine that exclusively covers the genre I find reviews of Soft Machine which sound nothing like Steeleye Span which sound nothing like Marillion which sound nothing like Graham Bond.</p>
<p>You could listen to prog for a lifetime and still find something unexpected at the end of it.</p>
<p>If anyone ever uses the phrase &#8220;narrow genre&#8221;, it probably means they don&#8217;t know anything about the genre they&#8217;re describing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do almost all of my exploration via YouTube whilst I&#039;m at work, so it tends to be listened to in the background, but if something catches my attention I&#039;ll listen again later in more detail. I tend to go broad rather than deep, I will only investigate an unfamiliar genre deeply if it&#039;s something that the initial exploration makes me go &quot;wow! I had no idea this stuff was out there&quot;.

I agree with Ade about following-up tangents being the most productive and it probably being better to investigate a new genre slowly rather than to try to sample it all at once.

Amadan&#039;s last comment about not trying to force yourself to like something is spot on. I think we&#039;re hardwired from birth to like particular types of music. I can remember my earliest memories of music from the late sixties/early seventies listening to the radio always preferring rock to pop and the heavier the better - there was something about that crunching guitar sound. And I was certainly not influenced by what my parents or anybody else was listening to - it just seemed to be something innate. 
Like Tim I know that there are whole swathes of music that I will never like.

About five years ago I made a conscious decision to revisit every album I had in my collection (the first ones being purchased in the late seventies) and I was surprised by how few of them made me think &quot;This is unplayable. I never want to listen to this again. Why the hell did I buy it?&quot;. Mainly the reaction was pleasure at being reacquainted with old friends, particularly as a large proportion of them hadn&#039;t been played for 25 to 30 years. Why so if they were still good? Well for a long period I didn&#039;t have access to a turntable. Also many of these were from the punk genre and in the interim I discovered prog and realised I preferred it. That doesn&#039;t mean that I now dislike those old punk records, they&#039;re just not my favourites anymore. And in the last three years I&#039;ve discovered symphonic/operatic metal which is now right up there with prog as my favourite genre.   
Who knows what the next few years will bring?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do almost all of my exploration via YouTube whilst I&#8217;m at work, so it tends to be listened to in the background, but if something catches my attention I&#8217;ll listen again later in more detail. I tend to go broad rather than deep, I will only investigate an unfamiliar genre deeply if it&#8217;s something that the initial exploration makes me go &#8220;wow! I had no idea this stuff was out there&#8221;.</p>
<p>I agree with Ade about following-up tangents being the most productive and it probably being better to investigate a new genre slowly rather than to try to sample it all at once.</p>
<p>Amadan&#8217;s last comment about not trying to force yourself to like something is spot on. I think we&#8217;re hardwired from birth to like particular types of music. I can remember my earliest memories of music from the late sixties/early seventies listening to the radio always preferring rock to pop and the heavier the better &#8211; there was something about that crunching guitar sound. And I was certainly not influenced by what my parents or anybody else was listening to &#8211; it just seemed to be something innate.<br />
Like Tim I know that there are whole swathes of music that I will never like.</p>
<p>About five years ago I made a conscious decision to revisit every album I had in my collection (the first ones being purchased in the late seventies) and I was surprised by how few of them made me think &#8220;This is unplayable. I never want to listen to this again. Why the hell did I buy it?&#8221;. Mainly the reaction was pleasure at being reacquainted with old friends, particularly as a large proportion of them hadn&#8217;t been played for 25 to 30 years. Why so if they were still good? Well for a long period I didn&#8217;t have access to a turntable. Also many of these were from the punk genre and in the interim I discovered prog and realised I preferred it. That doesn&#8217;t mean that I now dislike those old punk records, they&#8217;re just not my favourites anymore. And in the last three years I&#8217;ve discovered symphonic/operatic metal which is now right up there with prog as my favourite genre.<br />
Who knows what the next few years will bring?</p>
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		<title>By: Synthetase</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite a few years ago I started listening to classical music. Something I&#039;d previously told myself I&#039;d never do because my father played a lot of stuff to death when I was a kid. However, I soon realised that there is some truly excellent music to be had, but also plenty of dross. Discussing this with my girlfriend years later, we both agreed there&#039;s a reason Mozart and Beethoven are the go-to names. I&#039;ve found a lot of similarities in other &#039;expand my horizons&#039; trips into new musical territory.

To be honest, I think I&#039;m willing to miss the odd gem in a mine full of tailings because there&#039;s simply so much music out there that I&#039;ll never be able to hear it all, even if it is excellent. So I do a bit of both, I potter around the fringes of different genres, and expand the comfort pile when the feeling takes me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a few years ago I started listening to classical music. Something I&#8217;d previously told myself I&#8217;d never do because my father played a lot of stuff to death when I was a kid. However, I soon realised that there is some truly excellent music to be had, but also plenty of dross. Discussing this with my girlfriend years later, we both agreed there&#8217;s a reason Mozart and Beethoven are the go-to names. I&#8217;ve found a lot of similarities in other &#8216;expand my horizons&#8217; trips into new musical territory.</p>
<p>To be honest, I think I&#8217;m willing to miss the odd gem in a mine full of tailings because there&#8217;s simply so much music out there that I&#8217;ll never be able to hear it all, even if it is excellent. So I do a bit of both, I potter around the fringes of different genres, and expand the comfort pile when the feeling takes me.</p>
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		<title>By: Synthetase</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Amadan said, but with music :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Amadan said, but with music <img src='http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Amadan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amadan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 23:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, I will draw a comparison with books, since I am well-read but know nothing about music.

Until a few years ago, I was almost exclusively a SF/F reader. I would occasionally read a mystery or something non-fiction, but other than that, the only books I was interested in were sci-fi and the occasional fantasy, and I still had the lingering disdain from high school of anything &quot;literary&quot; or &quot;classical.&quot;

Then on a whim, I started picking random books from Peter Boxall&#039;s &quot;1001 Books to Read Before You Die&quot; list (which is not by any means a perfect list, but it is pretty broad), as well as sometimes listening to books outside my usual range when they were on sale at Audible.

I discovered I like a lot more genres than I thought I did. I am still a SF/F fan and those genres still make up the majority of my reading, but no longer the overwhelming majority. I also discovered I really like Dickens and Austen, have a taste for Trollope, loved &lt;i&gt;The Hunchback of Notre Dame&lt;/i&gt; but could barely get through &lt;i&gt;Les Miserables&lt;/i&gt;, and that I just do not get on well with Russian authors.

Furthermore, broadening my literary and classical reading made me better able to appreciate my genre reading (because the best genre authors are also well-read and stuff allusions and references into their work, if you are able to recognize it).

So yeah, I think there is definitely something to be said for going outside your comfort zone.

On the other hand, once you realize what you &lt;b&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; like, I don&#039;t think there is any need to keep trying to force yourself to appreciate it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, I will draw a comparison with books, since I am well-read but know nothing about music.</p>
<p>Until a few years ago, I was almost exclusively a SF/F reader. I would occasionally read a mystery or something non-fiction, but other than that, the only books I was interested in were sci-fi and the occasional fantasy, and I still had the lingering disdain from high school of anything &#8220;literary&#8221; or &#8220;classical.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then on a whim, I started picking random books from Peter Boxall&#8217;s &#8220;1001 Books to Read Before You Die&#8221; list (which is not by any means a perfect list, but it is pretty broad), as well as sometimes listening to books outside my usual range when they were on sale at Audible.</p>
<p>I discovered I like a lot more genres than I thought I did. I am still a SF/F fan and those genres still make up the majority of my reading, but no longer the overwhelming majority. I also discovered I really like Dickens and Austen, have a taste for Trollope, loved <i>The Hunchback of Notre Dame</i> but could barely get through <i>Les Miserables</i>, and that I just do not get on well with Russian authors.</p>
<p>Furthermore, broadening my literary and classical reading made me better able to appreciate my genre reading (because the best genre authors are also well-read and stuff allusions and references into their work, if you are able to recognize it).</p>
<p>So yeah, I think there is definitely something to be said for going outside your comfort zone.</p>
<p>On the other hand, once you realize what you <b>don&#8217;t</b> like, I don&#8217;t think there is any need to keep trying to force yourself to appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ade</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 22:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like you, I can see both sides. It&#039;s good to be open to (nearly) everything, but arguably more trouble than it&#039;s worth to seek it all out. There&#039;s probably a great Polka record out there, but I&#039;m not gonna spend time looking for it. I might serendipitously hear it tomorrow and thus decide to investigate further, but going searching for it seems a likely wild goose chase when there are plenty of other things I know I&#039;m going to enjoy.
I think the best fishing expeditions come from following up a tangent to something you already like; it wasn&#039;t a huge step from prog to jazz (or, coming at it from the other direction, from blues). That said, I&#039;m content to enjoy the little jazz I&#039;ve found and sporadically add the odd new discovery, rather than try to sample All The Jazz at once.

I&#039;ve more or less put away a lot of the albums I loved thirty years ago because I&#039;ve played them to death. They still sound good if I stumble across them accidentally, but they have no surprises left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you, I can see both sides. It&#8217;s good to be open to (nearly) everything, but arguably more trouble than it&#8217;s worth to seek it all out. There&#8217;s probably a great Polka record out there, but I&#8217;m not gonna spend time looking for it. I might serendipitously hear it tomorrow and thus decide to investigate further, but going searching for it seems a likely wild goose chase when there are plenty of other things I know I&#8217;m going to enjoy.<br />
I think the best fishing expeditions come from following up a tangent to something you already like; it wasn&#8217;t a huge step from prog to jazz (or, coming at it from the other direction, from blues). That said, I&#8217;m content to enjoy the little jazz I&#8217;ve found and sporadically add the odd new discovery, rather than try to sample All The Jazz at once.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve more or less put away a lot of the albums I loved thirty years ago because I&#8217;ve played them to death. They still sound good if I stumble across them accidentally, but they have no surprises left.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Chrissie

That&#039;s what I tend to do with review promos; have them on in the background while working, and the get a proper listen in the evening if they make any sort of impression.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chrissie</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I tend to do with review promos; have them on in the background while working, and the get a proper listen in the evening if they make any sort of impression.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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Never suggested that you had said or implied that. But I have heard that from others.]]></description>
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<p>Never suggested that you had said or implied that. But I have heard that from others.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissie Caulfield</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll often put new music on in the background, while I&#039;m working perhaps. Then if it grabs me I&#039;ll give it a closer listen later on. It&#039;s not an ideal situation but at least I can run through an unsatisfactory album without feeling I&#039;ve wasted much time ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll often put new music on in the background, while I&#8217;m working perhaps. Then if it grabs me I&#8217;ll give it a closer listen later on. It&#8217;s not an ideal situation but at least I can run through an unsatisfactory album without feeling I&#8217;ve wasted much time <img src='http://www.kalyr.co.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Other Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Woah! I never said &quot;grow _out_&quot;. My zone has grown (sic) not shrunk.  Albums I bought in my teens are in many cases just as (if not more) important to me now as they were then: Back in Back/Iron Maiden/Script for a Jesters Tear. I can&#039;t think of anything from then I&#039;ve truly left behind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah! I never said &#8220;grow _out_&#8221;. My zone has grown (sic) not shrunk.  Albums I bought in my teens are in many cases just as (if not more) important to me now as they were then: Back in Back/Iron Maiden/Script for a Jesters Tear. I can&#8217;t think of anything from then I&#8217;ve truly left behind.</p>
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