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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I listened to &quot;The Grand Illusion&quot; after seeing them live, and thought the recorded version sounded tame compared with what I&#039;d seen the night before.

But I&#039;m more into hard rock than softer stuff, so I liked the more guitar-driven material from the earlier albums that made up the bulk of the set.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to &#8220;The Grand Illusion&#8221; after seeing them live, and thought the recorded version sounded tame compared with what I&#8217;d seen the night before.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m more into hard rock than softer stuff, so I liked the more guitar-driven material from the earlier albums that made up the bulk of the set.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Cravens</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Cravens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was mostly thinking the band lineup during those albums than _Kilroy Was Here_ itself.  (Though I do like that album.)  Styx is probably _the_ band of my teen years.  I don&#039;t recall owning multiple albums from any other band at the time.

I discovered Styx with _Paradise Theater_, and I bought _Cornerstone_ and _Pieces of Eight_ before _Kilroy Was Here_ came out.  I was a freshman in high school when that was released.

While I like all those albums (hey, &quot;Lords of the Ring&quot;), I have _The Grand Illusion_ and it&#039;s a mixed bag for me...  I really like some of the songs (&quot;Come Sail Away&quot;) and don&#039;t like the others.

I&#039;ve been tempted to pick up their Wooden Nickel recordings, just to see what they were like.

But like I said, nostalgia is a powerful thing, and to me, Styx is DeYoung, Shaw, Young and the Panozzos.  That was the lineup on every album I owned, and I never knew back then than there were earlier albums without Shaw.

When that lineup changed, they quit being &quot;the real Styx&quot; in my mind.  I probably shouldn&#039;t feel that way, but the songs of my youth sung by the &quot;wrong&quot; people is just weird.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was mostly thinking the band lineup during those albums than _Kilroy Was Here_ itself.  (Though I do like that album.)  Styx is probably _the_ band of my teen years.  I don&#8217;t recall owning multiple albums from any other band at the time.</p>
<p>I discovered Styx with _Paradise Theater_, and I bought _Cornerstone_ and _Pieces of Eight_ before _Kilroy Was Here_ came out.  I was a freshman in high school when that was released.</p>
<p>While I like all those albums (hey, &#8220;Lords of the Ring&#8221;), I have _The Grand Illusion_ and it&#8217;s a mixed bag for me&#8230;  I really like some of the songs (&#8220;Come Sail Away&#8221;) and don&#8217;t like the others.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been tempted to pick up their Wooden Nickel recordings, just to see what they were like.</p>
<p>But like I said, nostalgia is a powerful thing, and to me, Styx is DeYoung, Shaw, Young and the Panozzos.  That was the lineup on every album I owned, and I never knew back then than there were earlier albums without Shaw.</p>
<p>When that lineup changed, they quit being &#8220;the real Styx&#8221; in my mind.  I probably shouldn&#8217;t feel that way, but the songs of my youth sung by the &#8220;wrong&#8221; people is just weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;That certainly went through my mind last time Styx touredâ€¦ and if itâ€™d been the Paradise Theater/Roboto line-up, Iâ€™d have been sorely tempted. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.&lt;/i&gt;

Heh!  I saw Styx supporting Deep Purple back in April, one of the factors that helped their barnstorming set blow Purple off stage was the fact that they &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; play stuff like &#039;Mr Roboto&#039;.  Most of their set was from their rockier 70s albums rather than their poppy 80s stuff.  They didn&#039;t even play their one UK hit, &quot;Babe&quot;.

&lt;i&gt;Also, bands traditionally toured to support albums, and youâ€™re not exactly supporting a new album when youâ€™re charging prices high enough to pay for your entire discography. Iâ€™ve run into thatâ€¦ I want to see this band, but for the price of two tickets, I can buy every single album theyâ€™ve produced.&lt;/i&gt;

Most of the bands that are charging silly prices (The Stones, Elton John etc) haven&#039;t recorded anything new of significance for years, if not decades.  They might play a token song of their latest album, but most of the audience is there to hear them run through their greatest hits of 20+ years ago.  Most of the audience have all the albums anyway.

I think Deep Purple played one song of their latest &quot;Rapture of the Deep&quot;, and just three songs in the entire set from later than 1973.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That certainly went through my mind last time Styx touredâ€¦ and if itâ€™d been the Paradise Theater/Roboto line-up, Iâ€™d have been sorely tempted. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.</i></p>
<p>Heh!  I saw Styx supporting Deep Purple back in April, one of the factors that helped their barnstorming set blow Purple off stage was the fact that they <i>didn&#8217;t</i> play stuff like &#8216;Mr Roboto&#8217;.  Most of their set was from their rockier 70s albums rather than their poppy 80s stuff.  They didn&#8217;t even play their one UK hit, &#8220;Babe&#8221;.</p>
<p><i>Also, bands traditionally toured to support albums, and youâ€™re not exactly supporting a new album when youâ€™re charging prices high enough to pay for your entire discography. Iâ€™ve run into thatâ€¦ I want to see this band, but for the price of two tickets, I can buy every single album theyâ€™ve produced.</i></p>
<p>Most of the bands that are charging silly prices (The Stones, Elton John etc) haven&#8217;t recorded anything new of significance for years, if not decades.  They might play a token song of their latest album, but most of the audience is there to hear them run through their greatest hits of 20+ years ago.  Most of the audience have all the albums anyway.</p>
<p>I think Deep Purple played one song of their latest &#8220;Rapture of the Deep&#8221;, and just three songs in the entire set from later than 1973.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl D Cravens</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl D Cravens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A band can&#039;t charge more than what the market will bear, and is fiscally stupid (and socially generous) to charge less.  If Elton John can fill the venue at $690, then he&#039;s not charging too much... he&#039;s just charging in response to demand.  You can&#039;t charge more for one service to make up for lost sales a different product if the market won&#039;t bear the price... and if the market _will_ bear the price, that&#039;s what you should be charging in the first place.  (From a pure business perspective.  From an artist to the fans, there may be other factors that influence your decision.)

I wonder how much of this has to do with that forty-something crowd saying, &quot;I missed out on seeing the Stones when I was younger, and this may be my last chance to see them in concert.&quot;  That certainly went through my mind last time Styx toured...  and if it&#039;d been the Paradise Theater/Roboto line-up, I&#039;d have been sorely tempted.  Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

Also, bands traditionally toured to support albums, and you&#039;re not exactly supporting a new album when you&#039;re charging prices high enough to pay for your entire discography.  I&#039;ve run into that...  I want to see this band, but for the price of two tickets, I can buy every single album they&#039;ve produced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A band can&#8217;t charge more than what the market will bear, and is fiscally stupid (and socially generous) to charge less.  If Elton John can fill the venue at $690, then he&#8217;s not charging too much&#8230; he&#8217;s just charging in response to demand.  You can&#8217;t charge more for one service to make up for lost sales a different product if the market won&#8217;t bear the price&#8230; and if the market _will_ bear the price, that&#8217;s what you should be charging in the first place.  (From a pure business perspective.  From an artist to the fans, there may be other factors that influence your decision.)</p>
<p>I wonder how much of this has to do with that forty-something crowd saying, &#8220;I missed out on seeing the Stones when I was younger, and this may be my last chance to see them in concert.&#8221;  That certainly went through my mind last time Styx toured&#8230;  and if it&#8217;d been the Paradise Theater/Roboto line-up, I&#8217;d have been sorely tempted.  Nostalgia is a powerful thing.</p>
<p>Also, bands traditionally toured to support albums, and you&#8217;re not exactly supporting a new album when you&#8217;re charging prices high enough to pay for your entire discography.  I&#8217;ve run into that&#8230;  I want to see this band, but for the price of two tickets, I can buy every single album they&#8217;ve produced.</p>
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		<title>By: Serdar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serdar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a big-ticket (ha ha) act, I&#039;d wager it&#039;s at least partly about covering the cost of insuring the event.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a big-ticket (ha ha) act, I&#8217;d wager it&#8217;s at least partly about covering the cost of insuring the event.</p>
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		<title>By: Flightless</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I ordered tickets for Rush at Â£50 after booking fees, being charged 10 times the rate of the stamp they posted it with etc, that was the most I&#039;d ever paid for a non festival gig. I looked at how much Genesis would cost and just thought they were taking the ****

Right now there is a divide in the cost of gigs between the Premier League and the cottage industry bands. I saw homegrown prog heroes Strangefish supported by Darwin&#039;s Radio for under a tenner recently.

Given that the crowd at a smaller gig - eg Mostly Autumn, is just as affluent and middle aged as that at a mid size gig like Marillion and the same demogaphic as those at an aircraft hanger or football stadium gig I don&#039;t think it&#039;s about ability to pay. Similarly I&#039;m not convinced it&#039;s about downloads either. I agree it&#039;s about hype, making those gigs into a &quot;must see&quot; event and trading on the past of bands who are already huge.

Personally I&#039;d rather see a bunch of gigs by smaller bands who are in their prime than spend the same amount on a single gig by an older band going through the motions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I ordered tickets for Rush at Â£50 after booking fees, being charged 10 times the rate of the stamp they posted it with etc, that was the most I&#8217;d ever paid for a non festival gig. I looked at how much Genesis would cost and just thought they were taking the ****</p>
<p>Right now there is a divide in the cost of gigs between the Premier League and the cottage industry bands. I saw homegrown prog heroes Strangefish supported by Darwin&#8217;s Radio for under a tenner recently.</p>
<p>Given that the crowd at a smaller gig &#8211; eg Mostly Autumn, is just as affluent and middle aged as that at a mid size gig like Marillion and the same demogaphic as those at an aircraft hanger or football stadium gig I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s about ability to pay. Similarly I&#8217;m not convinced it&#8217;s about downloads either. I agree it&#8217;s about hype, making those gigs into a &#8220;must see&#8221; event and trading on the past of bands who are already huge.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;d rather see a bunch of gigs by smaller bands who are in their prime than spend the same amount on a single gig by an older band going through the motions.</p>
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